Sith Eternal Emperor

I finished all the requirements for SEE and the way I had Sidious modded already was reasonably successful for the first tier. The RNG misses cost me a couple battles, but I’m winning a lot more than I lose:

https://swgoh.gg/p/613136164/characters/darth-sidious

It’s a mix of health and potency with enough critical chance to get the bonus DoTs pretty much all the time. Agen Kolar needs to be the first you take out. He can heal the team, so that’s bad. But you also need to go after the weakest targets. So if one of the other two have more DoTs and expose, then it might be better to try and take them out first. The idea being you feed Sidious as they die, which lets you do more attacks.

 

I haven’t seen a solo, but I did see this:



Basically, the key is to leave JML and one other character alive. As long as you can keep JML linked, he’ll lose his protection eventually. The mistake is to leave JML alone—he can’t be linked.

But no one in my arena actually uses that time-out team. It would just hurt everyone else in the chat. Besides, I thought there was some non-GL counter for it that I can’t remember. Mostly, I’m seeing JKR-led JML teams, which is a pain to deal with when I just have Kylo. The good news is a couple more days and I should have SEE unlocked. I’m really hoping he can win against that team without the ultimate.

And the uploader for that video has a few other SEE ones. Probably the best content for SEE I've found as far as actually gameplay goes. Here's SEE vs Kylo with double tanks:

 

Ah, I see what you mean. I was thinking about using just SEE going in and couldn't see how that would work. At the end of a regular battle, after SEE has drained all that protection, he can solo the other team.

Have you tried leaving SEE on defense yet?

 

Okay, first impressions with SEE. Rey seems to be an issue, mainly because of the timer. I can win without too much trouble, but winning within the 5 min allotted might be tricky. The ultimate will solve that. That being said, I might just keep using Kylo against Rey. I already know how to do it in my sleep. I will probably do that for now and revisit SEE when he has the ultimate.

Now for the good stuff: JML. SEE melts him like butter. After the white-knuckle battles using Kylo, I’m completely sold. I did lose two characters, but that was my first time doing it and I was playing around. Not to mention I didn’t re-mod anyone. I use DR, Malak, Traya, and Bastila with whatever mods they already had. My SEE has 537 speed (I could make him faster if I put all my best speed mods on him) with 13,673 special offense (more than my Kylo’s physical offense)

As far as leaving SEE on defense, I’m not sure. Definitely not until the ultimate. But if more and more people start unlocking JML, it might be worth it. Sure, they could just change teams, but that’s a hassle not too many people want to do.

I have a feeling the place where SEE is really going to shine is GAC and TW. I’m sure a lot of the guilds my guild is matched against are probably going to heavily lean towards JML. I’m envisioning walls of Bastila-led JML teams. I can definitely see people doing it in GAC. I probably won’t play around with Sith fodder until the ultimate, since that will change a lot. But having an almost free win against JML is nice.

Edit: I was doing more testing with SEE and he can use trash Sith to beat JML.

My team:
SEE (R7), Sidious (R7), Maul (R4), Savage (G12), and SE Sith Trooper (G12)

Against (All R7):
JKR, JML, JKL, GAS, and Wat

I will say it is not a pretty win. I was down to SEE and he just rolled the other team 4v1. Now for the caveats.

Savage does have his zeta, but it didn’t really do anything because he was basically taken out immediately. Sith Trooper only needs his finisher for G13, so I’m not sure if that qualifies as trash. I didn’t want to touch the core DR team (with Marauder) or Sith Trio.

I did try the same team, but replaced Sith Trooper with Sith Assassin and lost. I may have misplayed. I took link off of GAS and I think that was a mistake. I hasn’t triggered savior yet and ended up doing so with GAS. I lost Savage and Assassin really early on and SEE just didn’t have the time to build up enough protection.

Another possible wild card factor is Sidious. He’s got 35% dodge against Jedi and that combined with his high health kept him around for a while. There were a couple times in both battles where a dodge kept Sidious around longer.

I do wonder if a Maul lead could work. That would be a 55% dodge for him and dodging might be useful for SEE. You’d lose the ultimate charge from linked enemies and the stacking mastery, but you’d still get the extra protection from the unique. More importantly, if you dodge an attack, you still get the 2% charge from a deceived enemy taking a turn. Is it worth it? JML’s first special, GAS’s basic, and JKR’s mass assist cannot be evaded. Same with JKL’s AOE stun, but that doesn’t do damage. Chalk that up to a maybe. I’m out of extra battles to test for now.

All that being said, for the purposes of GAC and TW, I think it is unlikely you’d see people using that specific team. You’d be breaking up some good teams to put it together. My assumption is there would be Barriss or some other lesser Jedi.

Another thing to consider is the leadership. All the JML teams in my arena are using JKR lead. A couple used Bastila for a day, but as soon as they were able to be broken, they got abandoned. SEE should be able to crush Bastlia because she doesn’t really do much for the team in terms of damage. SEE would suck away their protection and that would be it. JML lead is concerning because of the true damage before his protection is gone. He would also be taunting more, so I couldn’t attack everyone else as easily. Trash Sith might not be as effective.

The last this is the ultimate. I’m doing all this without it. I suspect that I might have been able to win that Sith Assassin try if I had it. If I could like GAS and JKL and instantly defeat them, I don’t know if the survivors could have beat me. That does bring up an interesting question, though. The ultimate gives you a lot of damage, but you lose your ability to heal. That helps give SEE his durability. You might not want to use the ultimate until you have the opportune moment, assuming you only have SEE left. If anyone else is around, it doesn’t matter because SEE can’t be targeted by that point.

 

I was able to finish the ultimate for SEE, so I am officially done with him. I’ve been leaving him on defense and it seems to hold okay. Much better than without the ultimate. Though I do wish SEE could do his AOE attack immediately when you do the ultimate. As it is, waiting that one turn can be daunting when he’s the last one standing.

I’m using Nihilus, Traya, Bastila, and Revan with SEE. Basically, I’m just trying to be as annoying as possible with the fear and cooldown increases until SEE is ready to transform.

I am concerned with relic 8. I wonder if that’s going to be how we’re supposed to beat the LS Geo TB or if that’s going to give new abilities to characters. Either way, I think everyone is going to do their GLs before anything else.

The other surprise is Moff Gideon is going to be a marquee event. That’s amazing news for me. I, like many others, assumed he would be a Legendary event. Now, it looks like the Beskar Mandalorian or the Child is going to be the big payoff character. And I don’t greatly care. Admittedly, I was curious why they used that version of the Mandalorian when he’s in the other armor for most of the season, but I guess it does make more sense if they wanted to milk two characters out of him.

With doing SEE, my Empire faction is pretty nice and I was worried that Gideon would be so good that I’d have to go after him. Now that he’s just a regular character, I can have him (assuming he’s worth gearing) without going through the trouble of gearing the rest. I just don’t see much use for BH anymore. I already have a decent G12 team with G13 Bossk, so they can handle everything I need them for.

But tying it back to SEE, I am very curious to see if Gideon is going to be a Trooper. As it is, Veers, Piett, and Strack are the core of the team. Gideon could become the 4th member of that core. That’s going to upset a lot of people who geared up two other Imperial Troopers for a full G13 team. And whether or not Death Trooper is going to be reworked at all. You figure he’s only got synergy with Krennic, but Thrawn and Gideon both used them. I don’t know, but I’m perfectly happy to wait it out and see what happens while I’m working on JML.

 

Not exactly. SEE is still a pretty rare character. I looked it up on swgohgg and there are fewer SEEs out there than any other character in the game. 3,457 total. JML and KAM are the next lowest at 7,466 and 7,855 respectively. So the pool for people figuring out the ‘best’ team isn’t that big.

I’ve more or less settled on this:

SEE (L), Traya, DR, Bastila, and Nihilus​

But I know people also use Vader. Sion and OG Sith Trooper are popular, too. Malak works, of course. The good news is you really don’t have to R7 any of them. G13 is sufficient with any relic level. The main thing is the other Sith just have to survive long enough to let SEE stack protection and mastery. That doesn’t require all that much.

Basically, you could use Malak, DR, Bastila, and Vader as-is and do just fine. You’ll dominate JML teams, so that’s not even a concern. Unfortunately, you can’t touch Kylo teams, so that’s also not a concern. Rey is the one you’re really putting together a team for. Rey will one-shot anyone with Sudden Whirlwind, so R5 or R7 won’t matter.

As a general rule, I would avoid taking someone to R7 without a good reason. Trust me, it gets harder and harder to do the more to do it. R5 is pretty much my cap for most everyone. Especially because you might end up wanting to do Kylo after SEE. I still think SEE is going to have more value on an older arena like yours, but Kylos are going to be a hard counter for you. In a four-way meta like this, you kind of need two to be able to beat everyone. You do already have KRU at G12 and Emperor Palpatine overlaps.

As far as Traya and Nihilus . . . it depends. Full disclosure, I already had Traya at R5 and just took Nihilus and Sion to G13 R5 and R4 yesterday. Traya and Sion are a powerful combo for G13 Geo teams, which I see pretty often. Nihilus was pretty much a vanity project so my arena team would be all G13. He really doesn’t need it. He’s got plenty of health at G12 or even G11. His whole gimmick is drain and annihilates, so damage means nothing to him. I would probably say don’t bother with taking the Sith Trio to G13 for now. There are a lot of other characters that have more immediate use.

 

No, what I mean is SEE will beat JML with almost any Sith team. So it doesn’t really matter much what you used against him. Kylo will always beat SEE pretty much no matter what. Rey can beat everyone, so for defense purposes you’re really only thinking about her. JML teams will never attack SEE and Kylo teams always will. It’s all about deterring or annoying Rey players to hold on defense. Beating Rey teams on offense do require decent Sith, though. It takes a little practice and the ultimate for SEE matters quite a bit. Without the ultimate, you’re relying on the rest of your Sith to do all the work.

Yeah, SEE is not a great defense team. The good news is SEE is very good on offense. You can definitely use Sidious, Maul, and Dooku with him. There’s also a lot of teams that SEE can just solo. On offense, I’m not sure how it would do against DR. But I’ve seen SEE solo R7 Padme and GAS teams without trouble. For the most part, most non-GL teams should fall to SEE. And because he just needs Sith to be fodder, you don’t need to have really great Sith with him.

The only issue is if you use a bunch of G11 or weak Sith against a team SEE can’t solo on his own. For example, I was trying out teams against JML. This team won:

R7 SEE (L), R7 Sidious, R3 Maul, G12 Savage, and G12 OG Sith Trooper

I replace Sith Trooper with G11 Sith Assassin and I lost. But keep in mind this was against a very well-modded JML team with JML, JKL, GAS, JKR, and either Hoda or Wat. Some of the best characters in the game and I was going up against it with fairly weak Sith. My problem was Assassin died way too quickly. SEE needs a few turns without JML and everyone else attacking him to build up his protection and mastery. But that’s still an extreme example.

That being said, it certainly wouldn’t hurt to have the Triumvirate. They are good characters on their own and do work nicely with SEE.